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More drama between Real Housewives of Beverly Hills star Camille Grammer and her ex-husband Kelsey Grammer.
On Tuesday, TMZ broke the story that Kelsey, 56, filed court papers in L.A. County Superior Court, requesting primary physical custody of his two kids with Camille – Mason, 9, and Jude, 6. If you recall, Kelsey dumped Camille, 42, last summer for flight attendant Kayte Walsh, 29, whom he was allegedly having an affair with. Kelsey and Camille’s divorce was then finalized in February and Kelsey married Kayte in the same month.
According to sources, Kelsey and Camille have been at war over the kids who have been experiencing some emotional difficulty in dealing with their parents’ divorce.
Sources close to Camille are however scoffing at Kelsey’s filing, as they state she’s been a full-time mother with 4 nannies while he has been uncooperative in trying to work out a custody agreement. They add that she was willing to give him 50/50 custody, but now all bets are off.
Camille gave a brief statement to RadarOnline, simply stating that “Kelsey is being insensitive to our children.” Camille’s employee friend, Allison DuBois also spoke to Radar. “Camille is an excellent mother, and Kesley truly doesn’t have a leg to stand on,” said Allison. “Good luck with that battle Kelsey, you are going to need it.” And in case you’re wondering, yes Allison is the psychic from the infamous dinner from hell episode.
Another employee close friend of Camille’s spoke to PEOPLE stating she is ready to fight for her kids. “She will fight like hell to keep her children with her, being raised by her, exactly where the children wish to be,” the close friend said before going on to bash Kelsey. “He abandoned his family and got married within months of separating from Camille, all of which speaks volumes about his parenting and his respect for his current children.”
As for Kelsey, he refused to give a statement with his rep stating, “Any statement would be inappropriate. The filing speaks for itself.”
TELL US – THOUGHTS ON KELSEY’S FILING? WHO’S A BETTER PARENT – CAMILLE OR KELSEY?
@44 CotonMom,
Completely agree with your post…who knew we’d take Camille’s side…but Kelsey is the bigger jerk.
@49 JJ: again, kelsey is asking for ONLY HALF THE YEAR – not the FULL YEAR.
from website popcrunch (5/18/11):
“The 56-year-old actor filed a petition in Los Angeles Superior Court Friday asking a judge to grant for joint legal custody with Camille, 42, and sole physical custody. He is currently working in Chicago and asks that Camille have custody of the children during July and for him to have them for August. Kelsey Grammer is also requesting custody of the boy and girl during the Thanksgiving holiday period and to have them again during the second half of their school winter break.”
um… he went to nyc to WORK. camille could’ve gone w/ him but she wanted to be on rhobh instead.
i really dont know why ppl keep saying that kelsey is trying to take the kids for the WHOLE year. he’s not.
he’s saying:
camille: fall semester; july; xmas, new year’s
kelsey: spring semester, august, thanksgiving.
seems equal enough to me.
Maybe Kelsey is trying to drain her of all her (his) millions, just for spite!
Well he is a consumate dirt bag with a less than honorable past. Physical custody is a pipe dream for him.
Regardless of which parent is more fit, I don’t think it’s in the kids’ best interest to have them living across the country half the year going to two different schools. I think it’s better for them to have a primary home and one school, so they aren’t getting separated from their friends and activities in Cali, like the daughter’s dance team.
“Camille gave a brief statement to RadarOnline, simply stating that “Kelsey is being insensitive to our children.””
i dont get why camille thinks HALF the year custody of the kids is being “INSENSITIVE.”
does this mean that SHE wanted the WHOLE YEAR and give kelsey only measly visitations??? wouldnt this plan be actually “INSENSITIVE?”
kelsey is offering HALF THE YEAR. that’s FAIR, not “INSENSITIVE.”
@54 Imeantuweregarbage: how could kelsey drain camille’s money by offering her half the year? especially when HE’S the one giving money to camille?
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i think it’s fine to split the year in HALF when one parent depends heavily on 4 nannies & other servants to raise the kids.
at least the other half of the year, they could spend actual time with the parent they have a warmer, better rapport with & who seems to be able to offer a more hands-on parenting style (especially w/ the assistance of kayte who seems to have no job).
@52 anne_ooo, Um, I’m pretty sure that impregnating another woman while in NYC and married to their mother isn’t going to fly as “work” to these kids when they’re in therapy.
Who cares why he originally went there? It’s what he did while he was there that was a total trashing of these kids’ world. He’s a douchebag. If you want to be with someone else, get a divorce, start dating and ruin your life AFTER the kids have had a chance to adjust to their parents no longer being together.
Kelsey is out for Kelsey. That’s pretty clear. Everyone else is collateral damage to him.
Oh, and I don’t even like Camille! In fact, I personally can’t stand the woman but I know a douchebag when I see one and Kelsey qualifies more than almost anyone else in Hollywood right now.
#59JJ:
Think Ahhnold could take the DB Crown, @ the moment..lol..but well said, nonetheless…hahaha…..LOL…
@59 JJ: i’m not excusing getting someone pregnant. but i’m not going to pretend that there was an actual marriage in place. even camille admitted there wasnt a real marriage for YEARS, including no sex for YEARS.
so yes, that was a mistake. but then camille going on national tv flirting, dancing for dollars, & kissing/hugging/nearly making out with a younger MARRIED man on the lips (in front of the wife, kelsey, the other HWs, the cameras, the entourage) as a routine is not making her look good either.
her behavior towards other men is yet ANOTHER ADMISSION that the marriage was kablooie.
he had a tv series in los angles, but that got cancelled. the work he found was in nyc. what’s he supposed to do? tell broadway to transport itself to malibu?
camille COULD have moved to nyc instead of choosing to do rhobh. she could have spent spring break w/ him & the kids in nyc instead of hawaii. she could have been open to spending summer vacation w/ him & the kids in nyc. she could have flown the kids out to nyc anytime she wanted.
but she chose to live a SEPARATED life in malibu w/ her boy toy nick & her non-existent marriage.
it takes two to work on a marriage. neither of them wanted to work to keep it going. it was DONE. kaput. fini.
if “kelsey was out for kelsey,” then kelsey would’ve used “paid friends” (like camille allegedly does) to spill dirt on camille, her life choices, her mothering skills, throw into question her love & “respect for [her] current children,” etc. BUT only one side is doing this “douchebag” move – camille’s.
@61… that should be:
“…she could have been open to spending summer vacation w/ him & the kids in nyc instead of letting the size of the apt (3500 sq ft yet too small for her entourage, right?) be a determining factor as to why she wont agree to it “
anne_ooo, first of all you seem to be taking this a bit too seriously. Just my opinion. It’s clear that those who are on the “Kelsey is a Douchebag” team are not going to be swayed, so repeating stuff over and over again isn’t really going to change that.
Secondly, I don’t give a flying F about Camille and their “marriage”. I’m concerned about the kids and what this means for them.
A. This woman they will be forced to live with knowingly got involved with their married father and was the accomplice in their family being destroyed. Can’t say that’s a woman I would want to see across the breakfast table everyday.
B. Their life is in California. Friends, school, activities…the stuff that makes a shitty life with crappy parents worthwhile.
C. Kelsey blew up his family. Who cares what the motivation was? He was married and if he wanted out, he could have divorced Camille and at least been honest about it. Instead, he impregnanted a woman young enough to be his daughter. Sick. O.
I don’t care one bit about Camille and all the “he said, she said” crap. Kelsey is a douchebag who is trying to make sure that his money stays in his pocket. It’s as transparent as can be.
The nannies should be the ones fighting for custody.
I remember the scene where Camille was asking the nanny how the kid was because supposedly one of them was ill.
I agree that help is needed, but that was completely unnecessary. She is a stay-at-home Mom!
Go to the room and check for yourself.
Kelsey, there was no need to go work in NYC. He has plenty of money.
Seems like he planned to divorce Camille all along.
From the little I witnessed about Camille on RH, I can totally understand that Kelsey left her as soon as he realized he didn’t have to be stuck with her crazy ass if he didn’t want to be. Would it have been better of him to carry on an affair instead? Would it have been better for him and Camille to stay together even though they both admitted to having marital problems for years? Better for the kids?? I don’t think so. I think he saw a chance at happiness with his new wife and went for it.
@63 JJ: well, if u dont want me to respond to ur replies to me, then dont reply to me. simple.
i’m not the one so seriously into this by calling the participants of this story “douchebag” & whatever else u said. but then again, that’s ur choice & i’m not the kind of person to criticize u over ur comments. i’m going to disagree, but i’m not the one to criticize. i’m the one who’s going to take the high road.
as i have yet to see anything new from post to post in ur comments, i’m going to say that we are in the same boat.
a. kayte didnt walk into a marriage, since there was none – see previous posts concerning the grammer marriage.
b. the kids’ lives should be about being with a hands-on parent who will give them a stable, strong parental presence.
dance school, other schools, whatever doesnt supercede any of this. 4 nannies & other servants are non-parental ppl. they cant give the same kind of concern, attention, love, well-being, thought to the kids’ future like a parent would.
the 4 nannies & other servants are just employees & young ones too. they’re not going to be the nannies forever, so they’re not all that bothered about the children’s future like a hands-on parent would be.
c. camille knows where the airport is. she uses it enough to fly to hawaii & las vegas,but somehow taking the kids to live w/ their dad when dad has to relocate for work is way beyond her preference level.
ppl do that all the time. move to where the work is. but then again, camille’s ways with men only helped cement the fact that there was no marriage there.
she was in it for the status. she repeatedly mentioned his star status as some kind of validation for her own social position. her statement about her being “up here” cuz kelsey is a star compared to kyle & mario being “down there” cuz he’s just a real estate agent has shades of kelly telling bethenny the same thing.
kelsey should have divorced camille long ago. she was done and over with him for years relationship-wise. no sex for years = not interested in him as a husband.
again, i’m not excusing the pregnancy. i dont think he planned that either.
and again, camille was the one who told the media that they had talked about an open marriage…. so this is an open marriage and camille is SCHOCKED?!? oh puleze.
nick is young enough to be her nephew, so is that ok?
i dunno why u think camille isnt getting ANY money from kelsey. she’s getting $50 million or so cuz of CA’s divorce laws. child support $ is a totally different amount.
kelsey has to work & keep in the public eye. once leaving the public eye for a long period of time, it’s hard to come back & find work if needed. if there’s opportunity still present, then that’s the time to take advantage of it.
also, he has mega expenses what with 8 (?) properties, a production company, 4 nannies & other servants, several other employees, camille’s boy toy nick & god knows what else.
he had a failed tv series after “frasier.” he’s developing another tv show.
i dont think he’s the kind who’s good at being retired & loads of time to get into mischief, especially with his past addiction issues. also, he’s still young enough to get good, high-paying work.
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yeah, since camille said they had talked about an open marriage, i’m thinking all this kayte & nick & whomever else was part of it.
but when kayte got pregnant, reality hit & kelsey started to give serious thought about how he wanted to proceed in his personal life.
i think he made a good choice by divorcing camille. they didnt seem to have a good rapport. they didnt seem to be compatible, especially w/ no sex for years.
all in all, it ended relativelly well with camille walking off with $50 million or so & kelsey getting a better relationship.
and i think splitting the year between the two parents with one of them being more hands-on parent is a good thing.
It is hard enough for a child to adjust to a new school with a move, let alone being ping ponged across state lines every other month. Camille should start the children with a therapist and allow him/her to weigh in on what’s best for the children. Who cheated, who was or was not there for the children count far less when compared to what type of adjustments these children would have to make until they’re old enough to speak for themselves (13-14). Kelsey made a choice to leave whatever union there was to please himself, fine now they both need to place the children’s needs first, if it means Kelsey coming to town every other weekend and having the children during the summer oh well!
i just dont agree that the primary custody of kids should be done w/ a parent who truly believes that the right thing to do is hand over caretaking to 4 nannies & other servants, rather than being a real hands-on parent herself. they might as well be in boarding school then.
also, the offer on hand by kelsey isnt a month-to-month thing. it’s on a half-year basis.
camille made the choice not to follow kelsey to nyc but to stay in malibu w/ nick & whomever else “to please” herself.. there’s no question that there wasnt a ‘real’ marriage in place.
i think the every other weekend & summers is less beneficial than seeing the parent on a daily basis during the 1/2 yr split. from what i’ve noticed, the former creates more issues when it comes to scheduling the children’s extra-curricular activities. there has to be more negotiations involved on a weekly or bi-weekly basis and whatever else is involved. and i dont think camille & kelsey will be able to harmonize in this type of scheduling.
.Why uproot the children and take them away from their home, school, friends and nannies? Divorce is hard enough on kids
without changing schools every mid-year. Kelsey can jet to CA for visits if he wants to.
Oh boy….eh, moving on. LOL!
Redundancy- it’s a terrible habit…rofl
@JJ71,
Boy do I hear you, loud and clear!! lol
so says the commentator who posted “nene the gorilla”…….
anyhoo…
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maybe camille can jet to chicago or wherever for visits since she’s the one who isnt working most of the year…. ever thought of that?
btw, wasnt me who said “nene the gorilla.”
i was referring to a poster above my comment.
Camille is so fake maybe Kelsey would be the better parent.
First of all, K’Meal should shut up Alison Butthead’s ugly/ignant mouth. (With friend like that, NO ONE needs enemies.)
Kelsy is merely trying reduce custody payments……nothing more/nothing less.
I’m not a big Camille fan, but for those criticizing her for having the nannies, who do you think will take care of the kids if they were with Kelsey? Not to mention, the overwhelming majority of all the real housewives have employed nannies. Kyle certainly did, even though she tried to suggest otherwise…who do you think is watching the kids and shuttling them to their many activities while these women get their manis/pedis, massages, facials, highlights, extensions, blowouts, workouts, etc. Not to mention shopping, lunching, socializing, etc. These women invest many hours a day to look good, and someone has to watch the kids during those times. The only difference is that Camille was honest in admitting she has nannies, as opposed to the others who want to create the supermom illusion that they do it all by themselves.
These two are immature; they need to stop using the children as pawn; it’s not healthy for the kids.
If he actually cared about and wanted to be with his kids, he shouldn’t have ran off with his side-piece. He runs off, moves out of state AND wants to uproot his kids from the only home they’ve ever known to boot? He can suck it as far as I’m concerned (and I’m pretty confident that the court will agree with me on this one).
I am shocked that people are naive enough to question Camilles mothering skills based on what they see on a reality show.
PS — to the people who are criticizing the nannies — Kelsey ok’d the nannies, not just Camille — it is so sexist to attack the mother for having nannies and not the father too. And if you truly believe that Kelsey wouldn’t employ nannies if he had custody then I have some swamp land to sell you. Furthermore, ANY woman who could afford nannies would and any one who tries to front & say she wouldn’t hire a nanny if she had the money is LYING. Having help with your kids when you can afford it does NOT make you automatically a “bad mother.” Please.
(Camille could be a bad mother, but the fact that she has nannies does not automatically make her one).
Is it just me or has Kelsey Grammer always seemed like a weirdo ever since cheers. Hes fugly to me and has the makings of a serial killer. There is nothing about his strange personality that shouts “I would make a great dad.” In fact I think the only thing he good for is being a trick.
Give him pussy, he’ll give you money. Without his money I can’t imagine any real woman wanting want to stick THAT between her legs. But then again…he is a DOUCHEBAG.
I don’t feel bad for Camille. That man works his ass off and always have. Her plan was to simply open her legs and get paid. When the children are raised by “help” livng with dad who is and always has been the bread winner should be a no-brainer. Camille knew that the marriage was over, so she attempted to show the world what a good mother that she is. She’d probably never been to her daughter’s dance class prior to the taping of the show. She is a talentless snob capatalizing off of Kelsey’s success. Those kids are meal tickets.
@JJ,
And the ENERGIZER BUNNY just keeps going and going and going and going and going and going, going, going, going, going, and going and going, going, going, going, going………………………..
I don’t think that the kids should have to switch schools. They need some stability and with Kelsey, that spring semester could be in Chicago one year, new York the next, London, la, etc. Maybe he’s asking for a lot, will settle for less- that’s a very common negotiating tactic,
I’m not so old that I don’t remember being in school and it would have been horrible to constantly be shuffled from one school, location, social group (that you could probably never really get comfortable in b/c you’re not there half the year), etc. It’s important for kids to spend time with both parents but I think it’s even more important to have stability in their lives and that is certainly not achieved by splitting their time living on opposite sides of the country.
@ 75, perhaps you are new to posting on boards..however, it would be IMMENSELY appreciated if you did not cross post, disrupting the continuity of the threads…
oops. i meant to say it would be horrible to be shuffled from one school to the next. Kelsey is really busy, with a new wife and what also looks like a theater career (or whatever) and he will no doubt the hiring just as many nannies and maybe even having more kids. Camille has much more time and energy to devote to the kids, and this in combination with their already established lives in CA probably makes her better suited to have the majority of custody. I think the kids should spend both semesters of school in one place and maybe vacations and holidays with the other parents.
Seems to me like Kelsey’s new wife is infertile and needs his kids as a project
poor rich folks with normal people problems! would the 4 nannys still be employed for camille while the kids are away with kelsey?
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I have no clue what a 29 year old would see in a 56 yr old??? $$$ When I see a man that age I can’t help but think of my father!!! I mean that is just gross to me….he’s an old man compared to her!!!! And not at all good looking!!! EWWWW!!!! They’re both disgusting pigs!!! Team Camille on this one!!
The cheating was bad enough, but trying to remove the children from the custody of their mother ticks me off. I am no longer a fan of Kelsey Grammer!